(Tim) One commenter (who, from charity, shall remain nameless) commented under an earlier post that he considered the discipline of lifting hands and kneeling in prayer to be unworthy of reformed worship. Maybe a sort of pietistic emotional manipulation?
"So lifting hands is wrong? Why? Who said so?"
"Well, any idiot can see it's those nasty Pentecostals and charismatics who do that sort of thing! Ugh! Who wants to be mistaken for a charismatic? Or a Vineyard type? Ugggghhhh!"
"So we don't do it because we don't want to have anyone think we're Pentecostals--is that it?"
"Well, no; of course that's not the only reason. There are lots and lots of reasons, but I can't spend all day telling you something you should know without thinking. Lifting hands is wrong. End of story. No self-respecting, proud, cerebral, Old School Presbyterian slothful in worship would ever be caught dead lifting his hands in prayer! Now, stop bothering me. I have more important things to do with my time than argue with you!"
"But I wasn't arguing. I was only trying to find out where it says in the Bible, or where Calvin says, it's wrong to lift our hands or kneel in worship. Is it wrong to ask questions?"
No, I don't mean to be mean in making up this dialog. But really, it's about time reformed men realize the reason charismatics lift their hands and kneel in worship and modern presbyterians don't is that somehow, somewhere, we lost our way and now think we're honoring Scripture and our spiritual fathers when in fact we're directly contradicting them.
Here's just a tiny smidgen of proof, showing why we, at Church of the Good Shepherd, ask our worship leaders to urge the brethren, by the mercies of God, to present their bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, as our spiritual service of worship.
"Bodies? Who said 'bodies?' The Bible teaches us to worship God 'in spirit and in truth.' What do bodies have to do with it?"
"Ah, yes; you've run rings around me logically. I was certainly hoping you wouldn't make that particular point, but I can see that you're more than a match for me. So without further ado, I'll leave you to Calvin."
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The inward attitude certainly holds first place in prayer, but outward signs, kneeling, uncovering the head, lifting up the hands, have a twofold use. The first is that we may employ all our members for the glory and worship of God; secondly, that we are, so to speak, jolted out of our laziness by this help. There is also a third use in solemn and public prayer, because in this way the sons of God profess their piety, and they inflame each other with reverence of God. But just as the lifting up of the hands is a symbol of confidence and longing, so in order to show our humility, we fall down on our knees. (John Calvin, Commentary on Acts 20:36)
Lifting up pure hands As if he had said, “Provided that it be accompanied by a good conscience, there will be nothing to prevent all the nations from calling upon God everywhere. But he has employed the sign instead of the reality, for “pure hands” are the expressions of a pure heart; just as, on the contrary, Isaiah rebukes the Jews for lifting up “bloody hands,” when he attacks their cruelty. (Isaiah 1:15.) Besides, this attitude has been generally used in worship during all ages; for it is a feeling which nature has implanted in us, when we ask God, to look upwards, and has always been so strong, that even idolaters themselves, although in other respects they make a god of images of wood and stone, still retained the custom of lifting up their hands to heaven. Let us therefore learn that the attitude is in accordance with true godliness, provided that it be attended by the corresponding truth which is represented by it, namely, that, having been informed that we ought to seek God in heaven, first, we should form no conception of Him that is earthly or carnal; and, secondly, that we should lay aside carnal affections, so that nothing may prevent our hearts from rising above the world. (John Calvin, Commentary on 1Timothy 2:8)
As for bodily gestures customarily observed in praying, such as kneeling and uncovering the head, they are exercises whereby we try to rise to a greater reverence for God. (John Calvin, Institutes, III.20.33)
Let us take, for example, kneeling when solemn prayers are being said. The question is whether it is a human tradition, which any man may lawfully repudiate or neglect. I say that it is human, as it is also divine. It is of God in so far as it is a part of that decorum whose care and observance the apostle has commended to us. But it is of men in so far as it specifically designates what had in general been suggested rather than explicitly stated. (John Calvin, Institutes, IV.10.30)
...nothing prohibits a man who cannot bend his knees because of disease from standing to pray. (John Calvin, Institutes, IV.10.31)

As a Charismatic/Vineyard type, I must contribute here :-). In my Anglican days there were long periods in which our worship had in it a lot of kneeling, and the older and more formal approach keeps it. Given what the church was going through at the time, it was exactly the right thing to do. Kneeling is actually helpful, almost a positive spiritual discipline. Some of us even find crossing ourselves, say, at Communion, a helpful thing to do as well - never mind the supposed Catholic resemblances.
As C.S. Lewis put it, "what [the humans] forget is that they are hybrids: what they do with their boides affects their souls" (in *The Screwtape Letters*).
Posted by: Ross | Friday, 12 June 2009 at 07:05 PM
We are attending an OPC church now, and every now and then, someone will lift their hands during a hymn. I can't tell you how refreshing that is!
Posted by: Rebecca Nugent | Friday, 12 June 2009 at 09:16 PM
Yeah, but in the circles I run in, if I do this, now I'll be accused of being a Calvinistic charismatic. :^)
(running for cover)
Seriously, I'm all for this. No sense in letting a God-given means of expression left to just one group.
Posted by: Bike Bubba | Friday, 12 June 2009 at 09:30 PM
Raising our hands in prayer and singing is more than an optional, God-given means of expression.
It is our example from godly men (Ezra 9:5, Nehemiah 8:6, Psalm 28:2).
And, it is commanded of godly men (Psalm 134:2 and 1 Timothy 2:8).
Further, I want to be caught waving my branch, not letting it hang limp by my side. I expect to find Paul, Calvin, Owen, Berkhof, and my eight-year-old brother excitedly doing the same thing, with God's approval.
"After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands...." (Revelation 7:9)
Posted by: Tyson Turner | Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 12:15 AM
I have to laugh at myself in a convicted, "ok ya got me", kind of way. But my story is different, I grew up in Assemblies of God churches (big Pentecostal denomination) where yes, there is a lot of emotional manipulation in worship. When I switched allegiances and joined CGS a few years back (ask me again about that sometime). I have always been pretty reserved in my worship, and so coming to a church where you just stand and sing songs with *real* content and services end with a clear dismissal, I was home! Thank God that since then I have grown tremendously in my faith, you know- I actually understand grace and sin now, read Calvin, drink scotch, etc. But the point I'm trying to make is that I admit I still have a lot of ingrained stodginess, and I of all people are doubly without excuse for not worshiping more like I should.
Posted by: Matthew Nikirk | Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 10:35 AM
An observation from an Anglican who (with his parish) deploys his body, knees, hands, lips, and fingers (not to mention our senses of sight, smell, hearing, touch, and taste) in every worship service ...
There is an amazing power that emerges only with practice when the body is summoned to join with the spirit in a unity of worship. This necessarily entails things such as are mentioned above (kneeling for prayer, bowing deeply at the uuterance of particularly solemn words when they're said or sung (the Gloria Patri, for just one example), lifting hands in prayer, crossing oneself at particularly holy moments or utterances (e.g. whenever we bless the Holy Trinity). That "sign language" marks those moments or words with the work of Christ on the Cross, applied efficasiously to the worshiper, so he acknowledges his entitlement by God's saving grace to say or to do whatever is happening when he crosses himself.
Note also that to cross oneself indiscriminately (such as Pudge Rodrigues does before stepping up to the plate for a pitch), amounts to taking the LORD's name in vain.
We *are* hybrid creatures, the only ones whose nature our Lord took to Himself. Worshipping as Pr. Tim has rightfully ribbed effects a weird sort of amputation of souls.
I remember visiting a Baptist service recently, when we were singing some modern chorus that contained the words "Let us bow befor Him" and "Let us kneel before the Lord our Maker." These phrases are actually borrowed from ancient catholic (note the small "c" please) canticles, and also in the Psalms. But as we sang this, no one bowed, no one kneeled, and I knew that no one accustomed to worship in that setting would ever do so.
What then? Their worship via that chorus trained them to say one thing and at the same time to deny the very thing they were saying. This cannot be good.
Better to stand like a lamp post and ascribe glory to the LORD for making lamposts, than to call upon oneself (and one's fellows) to do what no one will ever intentionally do.
Posted by: Fr. Bill | Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 11:48 AM
>Better to stand like a lamp post and ascribe glory to the LORD for making lamposts, than to call upon oneself (and one's fellows) to do what no one will ever intentionally do.
Another priceless gem from dear Bill. Chuckling to myself...
Posted by: Tim Bayly | Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 12:24 PM
It sounds like you all are saying that those who raise their hands in worship are somehow more spiritual than those who don't. At the very least the people who raise their hands are portrayed here as somehow more mature than the counterparts who don't. Can you not be a Pharisee if you worship with your hands raised or sitting quietly in the pew? It is the prayer of a righteous man that avails much, not necessarily the prayer of the man with upraised hands, if you get my drift.
Personally in my prayers at home I may kneel, raise my hands etc., but at church I tend to be more reserved, not wanting to draw attention to myself.
Posted by: Geoff Gleason | Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 02:12 PM
Dear Geoff,
Good questions. I'll respond in a day or two on the main page, as a separate post.
Love,
Posted by: Tim Bayly | Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 02:53 PM
Great post- I'm an ex-charismatic who just has to chuckle, very quietly, of course. A little irony is great: now, in our Church, during the singing of the Gloria Patri, it is those who DON'T raise their hands who are drawing attention to themselves...
"I see you back there- both of you- not raising your hands..."
Posted by: Tim Bushong | Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 05:29 PM
When I think of my Charismatic Brethren I think of individual hands raised and a few folks hitting the ground. It does not strike me as work of the Body of Christ gathered together.
Lifting hands and kneeling is a corporate act. It is not some solo performance given by the truly spiritual, rather the whole of the Saints raise their hands and every knee bows.
al sends
Posted by: al | Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 08:33 PM
> “There is an amazing power that emerges only with practice when the body is summoned to join with the spirit in a unity of worship.”
Bill, what in the world do we need power for? I can’t imagine today’s singers of psalms needing power for anything. We can continue to be witnesses at today’s standards with no special power. We like ‘easy’ church. We’re tax-exempt and we don’t have to have faith.
(Psalms 149:1-9)
Praise the LORD! Sing to the LORD a new song, And His praise in the congregation of the godly ones. Let Israel be glad in his Maker; Let the sons of Zion rejoice in their King. Let them praise His name with dancing; Let them sing praises to Him with timbrel and lyre. For the LORD takes pleasure in His people; He will beautify the afflicted ones with salvation. Let the godly ones exult in glory; Let them sing for joy on their beds. Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, And a two-edged sword in their hand, To execute vengeance on the nations And punishment on the peoples, To bind their kings with chains And their nobles with fetters of iron, To execute on them the judgment written; This is an honor for all His godly ones. Praise the LORD!
Put aside the fact that our worship should contain new songs, gladness, rejoicing, and praise with dancing, drums and guitars. (I understand that the dispensationalist will understand this passage to apply to the physical Israel only and that the RP people will understand this passage to apply to spiritual body movement and instrumentation only)
This passage shows that worship is to be done simultaneous with battle. One without the other cannot be true. A true worshipper is honored to fight for his God and a spiritual warrior is honored and delivered through his act of worship by a God that takes pleasure in him.
I am concerned that I don’t see Christians with anything approximating swords in their hands. I am not concerned that Jody, who does wield a sword, sometimes accompanies worship with a kazoo.
Posted by: Max (David) Curell | Saturday, 13 June 2009 at 11:49 PM
"inflame each other with reverence of God"
This is a very secondary motive for postures in worship. And currently it seems that seeing what others do in worship is more a distraction than an example. We judge each other in worship. Those who move are “calling attention to themselves.” Those who don’t move are the “frozen chosen.”
I try not to judge unrighteously, but I still have thoughts…
Lifting hands has not historically been prescribed in the rubrics of Christian worship because the practice has been that the one who leads and speaks in public prayer lifts his hands. (See the case of Solomon in 1 Kings 8:22, 54 and 2 Chronicles 6:12.) The whole congregation doesn’t have to do this during prayer. 1 Timothy 2:8 does not mean that all the men need to lift their hands when any one of them prays.
As Calvin says in the quote here, hands lifted signify an appeal toward God in heaven. Lifted hands are not simply an expression of praise. They picture an appeal to God, in hope of receiving. They are more suitable for praise with petition, than for praise alone. The posture is to lift the hands toward heaven, palms up (or slanting up) more than forward, in front of our bodies (or at our sides). Solomon is said to have “spread out his hands.” The psalmist “stretched out” his hand (Psalm 77:2).
The historic lifting of hands (known as the “orans” or praying position) is not the posture of an arm or arms lifted, palms forward. That forward position could be a kind of wave, maybe a wave offering without the sacrificed animal portion. In our culture it means, “I surrender.” It could, however, be considered a dance movement while singing. We are not failing if we don’t do it. There is no necessity to counsel everyone to take the orans position, let alone this novel posture, whether during prayer, or while singing.
Examples of lifting hands in prayer, like Psalms 28:2, 63:4, and 141:2 do not teach that all should lift hands during public prayer. Lifting hands is only one bodily posture for prayer among others. I don’t discount the value of the body in worship, but in context these psalm verses emphasize, not the posture, but the direction of prayer. Who are you going to appeal to? The psalmist affirms that his appeal is to the true God, not to idols.
The examples and exhortations that we sing from the Psalms, to lift our hands, or bow down, do not mean that we must do these things right then and there, right while we are singing. Rather, in song we are telling one another to do these things at the appropriate time.
Posted by: John Korpan | Sunday, 14 June 2009 at 12:15 AM
Amen Tim!!
Posted by: Ken Pierce | Sunday, 14 June 2009 at 09:42 AM
I love Fr. Bill's Lamposts comment. This reminds me of how I worshiped for years in a conservative reformed church. A friend of mine from that church and I were having a discussion about this very subject yesterday and I talked about how I pray every time before worship and pray that if I raise my hands it will not be because I fear men (either feel stupid by raising them or stupid by not raising them). And despite the worship leaders at the front fo the church, I end up worshiping the best when I forget that they are there and stand looking at the lyrics on the screen and forget that everyone is there.
Sure raising hands can become false worship and emotional manipulation but so can refraining from doing it. God sees the heart.
In some ways I am very thankful that the leaders at CGS are patient and don't push us toward the sort of worship that we should be doing which should be much more lively than my fragile ego and my rigid reformed body will easily allow. I'm thankful I've come as far as I have.
Years before ever thinking of coming to CGS, I stood in worship sining the psalms a capella and I felt at times like I was a spiritual Maserati stuck in neutral and I knew I was burning the engine out by not expressing something I needed to express - I would do the only thing that was acceptable at such a church and close my eyes, sing louder and rock back and forth (very slightly).
Yet for the first few weeks at CGS I didn't raise my hands nor authorize my family to do so, until I had researched it via scripture, upon short investigate it was clear that to do so was biblical.
Being afraid of being judged by not raising hands or moving is a poor excuse for not doing what scripture commands. If one finds themselves in such a church where they would be so quickly and unfairly judged, their church has bigger problems than posture in worship.
I lift hands when I feel moved by the Holy Spirit to do it and I don't when I don't, I feel no pressure or judgment from man. Though sometimes I do via the Holy Spirit when I refrain from doing it.
Posted by: Mahoney | Sunday, 14 June 2009 at 09:48 PM
>And despite the worship leaders at the front fo the church, I end up worshiping the best when I forget that they are there and stand looking at the lyrics on the screen and forget that everyone is there.<
Um, this is a real problem. Forgetting that everyone is there is a failure to discern the Lord's body--the same fundamental attitude that the Corinthians were guilty of in their abuse of the Lord's Supper: everyone acted like it was just a private meal at home. Corporate worship is not just an extension of the prayer closet. The Church is called to worship as the church, not as an isolated individual who just happens to be in a group.
Posted by: JWDS | Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 02:32 PM
Not to argue either way but interesting: my understanding is that the Puritans stood to pray in public worship (& also lifted their hands, but maybe not to sing) & knelt at home. There seems to be a sense that we should do SOMETHING, but that the details might be adiophora (to use a non-Reformed term).
Posted by: Daniel Reuter | Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 03:16 PM
JWDS,
It's not wrong at certain moments to be focused enough on God in worship that you become unaware of what others might be thinking of you.
Issues come in pairs of opposite sin. It would be just as evil that you be so focused on others and self that you cannot perceive God either.
Surely you're not suggesting that we worship each other since this is the body of Christ?
-Clint
Posted by: Mahoney | Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 03:48 PM
I enjoyed this post--so much that I had to write a post about it myself. Thanks!
Posted by: Barry | Monday, 22 June 2009 at 09:31 AM
It seems to me that Calvin here is discussing the act of corporate and private prayer, and not singing. I need a little more substance than this before I can conclude that Calvin liked to raise hands in singing. From the title of this post, that seems to be what is being claimed of him.
Posted by: G F McDowell | Monday, 22 June 2009 at 09:25 PM
Is there no possibility of singing a prayer?
Must we lower our hands when the we pray with rhythm and melody?
I suppose Calvin would have known when to do the right thing.
(Smile)
Posted by: Max (David) Curell | Monday, 22 June 2009 at 10:16 PM
Max (David), that seems like an argument from silence. Is all singing in church prayer? I think most reasonable people conclude that not all prayer is singing and not all singing done in a church context is prayer. Which leads me back around to my point, just because Calvin had some helpful and convicting things to say about our use of our bodies in private and corporate prayer, it does not necessarily follow that he intended for the same to take place in our worship through singing. I'd need more evidence before I could make that conclusion.
Posted by: G F McDowell | Monday, 22 June 2009 at 10:36 PM
G F,
Most reasonable people will conclude that not all singing is not prayer and not all singing done in a church context is not prayer. Which leads me back around to my point, just because Calvin had some helpful and convicting things to say about our use of our bodies in private and corporate prayer, it does not necessarily follow that he didn't intend for the same to take place in our prayers offered in worship through singing.
Also, while I love and appreciate God's gifts to us through John Calvin, I don't need his imprimatur on this one. (However, I clearly see it here.)
Posted by: Max (David) Curell | Monday, 22 June 2009 at 10:53 PM
Hey, my pastor raised his hands Sunday, as he always does. We're good to go... :)
Posted by: David Gray | Tuesday, 23 June 2009 at 07:21 AM
Again, it seems like an argument is being built upon Calvin's silence.
Posted by: G F McDowell | Tuesday, 23 June 2009 at 12:31 PM