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So "trajectory" is now a reason to change historic theology? Am I reading this right? Didn't our Lord have something to say about following the traditions of men rather than the Word of God? Something, ya know, kinda negative?

What I do not understand is the agenda of the drivers of this issue...

If all they are asking for is a formal role for women of service in the church, why not establish deaconesses? Provide them with guidelines that do not approach an authoritative role in the church and support them as they minister in the role God provides for them.

Women complete or glorify the work of men; they do not do the work of men.

al sends

>What I do not understand is the agenda of the drivers of this issue...

>If all they are asking for is a formal role for women of service in the church, why not establish deaconesses? Provide them with guidelines that do not approach an authoritative role in the church

Dear Al,

You're asking the right questions, but the amazing thing is our PCA "Book of Church Order" already provides what you suggest. Here's the excerpt:

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It is often expedient that the Session of a church should select and appoint godly men and women of the congregation to assist the deacons in caring for the sick, the widows, the orphans, the prisoners, and others who may be in any distress or need (BCO 9-7).
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So if what you suggest is already allowed by PCA polity, what exactly is the agenda these churches are promoting?

Well, let's see: They use women to serve the Lord's Supper, women to disciple men, women to teach men, women to lead men in small groups, women to do every part of worship leadership except preaching (usually); women to lead anywhere and everywhere in the church except in session meetings and (usually) in the pulpit preaching Lord's Day mornings.

In these churches, women do anything an unordained man can do.

Do we really need to ask what the agenda is that these churches are promoting?

In Christ,

Tim Bayly

"I believe that the position set forth in our doctrinal standards is the biblical view, that is, the office of the diaconate is for qualified men only. I also believe that our Book of Church Order (BCO) is biblical when it says that “the Session of a church should select and appoint godly men and women [emphasis mine] of the congregation to assist the deacons in caring for the sick, the widows, the orphans, the prisoners, and others who may be in any distress or need.” This is precisely what is in view in 1 Timothy 3 and 5, and precisely what “deaconesses” did in patristic and reformation era churches. They assisted the deacons. They were not ordained female deacons, nor was there a separate ecclesiastical office of deaconess. “Deaconesses” were diaconal assistants."

-Ligon Duncan from his article in August08 By Faith

It took me a while to see this clearly. It is a biblical understanding our Book of Church Order reflects-

(man and) women are to assist the deacons in carrying out mercy ministry.

This is something that needs to be cultivated in every congregation for God's Honor and God's Glory.

These assistants are under the oversight authority of the deacons and the elders and do not hold ordained, perpetual office.

It is unwise to call women who assist "deaconesses" because it causes confusion and creates an incongruity for men doing the same (with the possible except of the 60 year old servant widows in I Timothy 5 who might be called like "servant widows").


The readers of this blog may be interested in an article of mine, "Petticoat Presbyterianism: A Century of Debate in American Presbyterianism on the Issue of the Ordination of Women," which appeared in the Spring 1989 Westminster Theological Journal. Or, you might want to look at the chapter on Women's Issues in my The History of the Presbyterian Church in America: The Silver Anniversary Edition.

Cordially,
Frank J. Smith, Ph.D., D.D.
Stated Supply, North Atlanta Reformed Presbyterian Church (RPCNA)
www.atlanta-rpc.org

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