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Thursday, 03 July 2008

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Being the kid (OK, now 39, not exactly a kid) of divorced parents, this is hard for me, too....but exactly right, I think.

Another take on the Catholic position, if I understand it correctly, is that if applied consistently, it would result in a lot of people tolerating adultery, no, for the sake of a lying promise of salvation on the basis of works.

If I've got it right, that's spelled b-l-a-s-p-h-e-m-y. (and a great way to introduce disease to innocent family members to boot)

Thanks for the thoughts!

Without attempting to split hairs, Tim, you said "...the Apostle Paul explicitly declares the believing spouse is 'not under bondage' when an unbelieving spouse wants out of a marriage." Would it be more accurate to say "...when a spouse LEAVES" instead of simply "when a spouse wants out?"

The reason I'm asking is this: There was a big debate about this in my family before my brother got divorced. His wife said, "I don't want to be married anymore," to which my brother DIDN'T say, "Let's work this out" or "I don't want you to leave," but he simply shrugged his shoulders with an, "Ok." In the eyes of my family, this put the onus on my former sister-in-law. The fact was, she hadn't left yet, only said that she wanted to. So, he proceeded to seek for a divorce. In that case, and according to what I'm reading right now ( I Cor. 7:15 "Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave.."), it would seem that the attitude and actions toward the marriage and it's fate was very premature (i.e. not biblical). I just wanted clarification on that, especially for other readers. Thanks.

But about a married couple, who married at the Justice of the Peace, both Protestants, both divorced and wanting to convert to Catholics? Can their marriage be blessed by the Catholic church?

Les McFall has an interested way to deal with the exception clause in Matthew 19:9. He has written a 43 page paper that reviews the changes in the Greek made by Erasmus that effect the way Matthew 19:9 has been translated. I reviewed McFall's paper at Except For Fornication Clause of Matthew 19:9. I would love to hear some feedback on this position.

No divorce for any reason at any time is essentially the Roman Catholic position

Sorry, I'm not looking for Catholic posts here, but just happened to notice it after the previous gentleman posted.

It's not technically true to say that the Catholic position is "no divorce". The Church understands that there are situations when divorce is the only option. The Catholic position is rather, "no remarriage". It's the remarried that are barred from receiving Holy Communion, not the divorced. The reason being that, unless there are reasons to suspect that the first marriage was invalid (which is where the annulment comes in), the remarried person is assumed to be living in an adulterous relationship.

Also, the Church does allow for remarriage in the case spoken of by St. Paul in 1 Cor 7:15. It's a situation the Church refers to as the Pauline Privilege.

But about a married couple, who married at the Justice of the Peace, both Protestants, both divorced and wanting to convert to Catholics? Can their marriage be blessed by the Catholic church?

Converts who are in a valid marriage do not need it to be blessed by the Church. However, in the above situation, the marriage would be presumed invalid, for the simple reason that they would be presumed to be still married (in God's eyes, obviously not the State's) to their former spouses. If it could be shown (as it is far too easy to do in this time and place) that both former marriages were invalid, then the new marriage could be contracted. This is all something that would be worked out in concurrence with the preparation for reception into the Church.

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